I firmly believe the last good FF game was FFX.

FFX was the best.

I can't bring myself to the Dragon Quest grindfest. I've never been a fan--slow battle systems are like vomit to me. I cannot successfully ingest either, no matter how refined DQVIII might be.

It seems like that at first, but you get sucked into the story and game play after awhile.

It's a matter of personal taste. If you like old-school role playing game mechanics and/or are Japanese, you will probably prefer DQ. If you like pretty, shiny graphics and melodrama, FF is your game.

I know what to expect from both, and I appreciate them both for their respective and differing characteristics.

I'm a really big fan of games that keep their traditions, and Dragon Quest is definitely one of them. I'm just worried FF is straying too far from its roots. But I guess as time goes on thats bound to happen. Regardless, I am anticipating this game, it may change my thoughts on FFXII, and almost all Square-Enix's DS games are toenail clippings from God.

Last edited by Ricardhighwind on October 29, 2007

I'm just worried FF is straying too far from its roots.

It's times like these, that I blame Final Fanboy 7.

I suppose your right, ever since FF7 came out everyone expects Square's games to be just as ground breaking.

Straying too far from its roots? Nigga please. The straying has happened and the roots have been cut. See them way over there in the far-off distance?

Where Dragon Quest VIII is merely a graphical upgrade of VII, in the exact same generation span Final Fantasy XII is worlds away from VII.

And also, what was so groundbreaking about FFVII besides its massive popularity? It had computer-generated FMV cut scenes? The characters were rendered in 3D? It was on a Sony platform instead of Nintendo? These are trite differences, and FFVII was a trite addition to the series -- nothing groundbreaking about that.

That said, look at the difference between FFIX and FFX, and FFX and FFXII -- there you can see some evidence of broken ground.

I dunno, I thought the story was very addicting and the characters were all remarkable. I loved the materia system, and not to sound like a fan boy but Sephiroth was a great villain.

I guess I would call it groundbreaking because of the popularity it received. I'm not sure what the exact reason for that is, but people that don't even like RPG's like FF7. I can't explain it, but it seems like no other Final Fantasy since then has had the same effect.

Square has obviously broke some ground when it comes to graphics, Advent Children had awesome graphic features (But the movie sucked ass), and FFXII took Ps2 graphics to another level. I guess by ground breaking I mean popularity, which isn't always a good thing.

I suppose your right, ever since FF7 came out everyone expects Square's games to be just as ground breaking.

FF7 wasn't groundbreaking.

It was simply a mediocre RPG, with a mediocre storyline, in 3D. Crappy 3d, yes, but 3D.

ricardhighwind said:
I'm not sure what the exact reason for that is, but people that don't even like RPG's like FF7. I can't explain it, but it seems like no other Final Fantasy since then has had the same effect.

With regards to your first clause, the exact reason was Square's multi-million dollar ad campaign.

With regards to your second clause, those same people haven't played the better (read: niche) RPG series.

With regards to your concluding sentence, there can only be one title which is the first to receive its degree of recognition. Any titles with equal popularity will appear to be just that: equal.

Look folks, bottom line. Final Fantasy VII was a solid RPG title that, unlike other solid RPG titles, received obscene amounts of propaganda. That is why FFVII is what it is. The two above me lean black or white, and that's just not the case.

It was the game that got almost everyone wanting to play RPGs, that's why it is groundbreaking. Quibble with the actual quality of the game all you like, but you can't deny its importance to gaming.

It was the game that got almost everyone wanting to play RPGs, that's why it is groundbreaking. Quibble with the actual quality of the game all you like, but you can't deny its importance to gaming.

OH JOY! so thats why we have a bunch of idiotic Cloud Strife wannabes and people jacking off to Sephiroth's fight scenes.

I'd much rather RPGs be less popular, than have a bunch of easily appeased idiotic 10 year olds in the same room as me while i'm at Gamestop buying a game.

Imagine if a 10 yr old came up to me while i was at Gamestop and said: "hey, you should try final fantasy 7" HOW AWKWARD WOULD THAT BE!
I would want to obviously knock the poor kid to the deck. Such Tedious work.

Now, I liked Final Fantasy VII. It's an ok RPG. I enjoyed it, somewhat. Especially the Materia system, the fact that you can sell a mastered all materia for 1.4 million gil, the cosmo canyon music...thats bout it though.
Much the same way I enjoyed Pokemon when it came out...for about a year. Yes, I played pokemon quite a bit. I was 10 years old, and everyone from school played it, we used to see who was the best.
And then, a year passed, and EVERY FUCKING PERSON was talking about it every god damn day. "Pokemon this" "Pokemon that" It got very annoying. Fast. Fortunately, that ended. soon after, or maybe i just stopped paying attention to it, oh well.
Anyways. Final Fanboy 7 was a decent game, I'll admit it.
But when idiots who started playing RPGs 7 years ago, start hailing it as the best rpg of all time, when they've only played about 4 RPGs, including Final Fanboy 7, it only proves that they're fuckin idiots that....well...deserve a knife in the back.

Baldur's Gate (PC)
Baldur's Gate II (PC)
Suikoden (PS)
Suikoden II (PS)
Chrono Trigger (SNES/PS)
Xenogears (PS)
Final Fantasy Tactics (PS/PSP)
Final Fantasy VI (SNES/PS/GBA)
Illusion of Gaia (SNES)
Terranigma (SNES)
Super Mario RPG (SNES)
Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance (GC)
Icewind Dale (PC)
Icewind Dale II (PC)
Paper Mario (N64)
Diablo 2 (PC)
Earthbound (SNES)
Secret of Mana (SNES)
Seiken Densetsu 3 (SNES)
Knights of the Round (SNES)
The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind (PC)
The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion (PC/X360)

The real reason I hate Final Fantasy VII?
Because it steals the spotlight from a shitload of Phenomenal RPGs.
And because it turned the company I worshipped, Squaresoft into Idiots.

You are a fucking psycho.

Arigato.

Hahahaha.

Do itashi mashite.

I would have to go with Final Fantasy.

The real reason I hate Final Fantasy VII?
Because it steals the spotlight from a shitload of Phenomenal RPGs.

Really, where's the sense in that? You'd rather the same idiots disperse their attention upon other material that you'd soon grow to despise, DESPITE how much you actually praise it regardless of its popularity? Really, all I can say it to just get over it, enjoy whats truly enjoyable regardless of "sheeple", and move on. They'll always be one step behind your interests, anyway.

Go crimsonhead!

The fact that we have a membership to a forum like this means a lot of us are some form of video game elitist. And the most maligned behavior of video game elitists (just like in music) is when they dislike good video games because the popularity of said games grows too large.

It is like the are all autistic and have to leave the room because there are too many people. Except autistic people have a disability, and elitists are just jerks.